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Old 04-18-2009, 06:16 PM   #1
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My 10 year old has suddenly decided that having a cell phone is an urgent matter for him. He has friends who have cell phones and we had actually given him our old trac phone, which he doesn't like. He says he doesn't like it because:
"It is a big, ugly, purple (but my son is color blind and it is actually blue) flip phone!"

He rarely uses the phone at this point, but it has come in handy a couple of times this past year when he was over at a friend's house. I'm not big on cell phones even for me and try to limit my own use. I'm curious how others have handled this issue with their kids in this age range. Would love to hear other's thoughts, whether or not you have a child between 10 and 12 or not!
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Old 04-18-2009, 09:51 PM   #2
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Hi Rebecca,

As you know, I recently switched my son to a new school. At this new school, he walks home all or partway most days. On days when I need after-care (at most 3 times a month), he walks a couple of blocks to the boys and girls club. Because of that, I decided I wanted him to have a cell phone so that I could reach him after school if I needed to.

I got him a tracfone. He picked it out. I prepaid for a year's service and 800 minutes and told him I wanted those minutes to last the year. Recently (about a month later) I sent him a text message and he apparently didn't realize it was from me and sent me a very unpleasant response. I took the phone and found that he'd been doing alot of texting (read every one and nothing bad in terms of content) and that he only had like 300 minutes left. So now I will give him the phone when he needs it. Otherwise, it is mine.

I had investigated a Friends and Family plan and felt it was too expensive for the minimal use I'd expect him to have.

Last year after I lost my children one afternoon (they went ahead of me to the park and were in a different place than where I was looking), I tried a Verizon pre-pay plan that I felt like was a huge rip because I was training him to only use the phone for emergencies but your pre-payments would expire if unused after a short period of time so I lost like $50 bucks in the first three months then dropped it.

Oh, and in the spirit of equity, I got my daughter a tracfone at the same time. She has, I think, 793 minutes left. :-) He likes her phone better for some of the features it has and learned an important lesson about picking something out based on how it looks. He liked the color and bought it without considering features. (I learned that lesson too when I became a mom and bought my stroller and high chair because I liked the colors. Then hated the features. He's way ahead of me.) :-)



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Old 04-18-2009, 10:28 PM   #3
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Hi Rebecca
This is a great thread so thank you for bringing it up. Here are some of my thoughts about this issue. One of the neatest learning opportunities for me in the last couple years has been learning the skill of family dialogue. A dialogue is different than a discussion. For example, if I had a discussion with my son about whether he could get a cell phone or not, at the end of the discussion I would give him the answer of yes or no. But a dialogue is a time when two or more people communicate simply to better understand one another without the purpose of coming to an answer or solution. It is recommended that dialogues and discussions always be held at different times so that the dialogue can remain totally safe communication. So, if I were dealing with a child asking for a cell phone, my first step would be to ask for a dialogue so that we could better understand each others viewpoint. Dialogue is a learned skill and so this might take some practice for famlies who have never done this. I will write the guidelines of family dialogue on another thread, but one main component of dialogue is that a question is brought up and then eveyone gets a chance to answer the same question without any answer being "wrong". Here is a list of the questions I would ask in a dialogue with my child who wants to get a cell phone. (Remember both the parent and child both get to answer each question. )

1. I have never been a 10 year old in the year 2009, so can you help me understand why you want to get a cell phone? Then my child would ask me, why do you think I want to get a cell phone?

2. What do you see are the pros and conns of having a cell phone?

3. What skills do you think a person needs in order to be able to handle having a cell phone?

4. How much does it cost to have a cell phone?

5. How do you see the responsibility of paying for a cell phone working out?

6. With every freedom comes responsibility and possible danger. What freedoms will this phone give you and what responsibility goes with it? What are the possible dangers of having a cell phone?

These are just a few of the questions that came to mind. I'm sure our wonderful community could add some more. I would welcome any more questions from the forum.

After this dialogue, and only after I knew that my son understood my views and I knew that he knew I understood his views - then I would make a decision of whether or not he could get a phone and under what conditions.

Thanks so much,
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PS. I will post the guidelines for family dialogue on another thread somewhere.
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:33 PM   #4
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Thanks for the feedback, Erika and Linda. We had a nice dialogue and have decided that he can spend his own money to upgrade his phone. He only has a trac phone and he did try to really upgrade to a phone with a monthly contract. I don't think he understood what a 2 year agreement meant! I set a boundary around being unwilling to pay a monthly fee for him to have a phone. He is actually really good with money and being aware of how much he is spending in general.

Interestingly enough, he has already said that he may regret spending his money on the new phone, so this may be his lesson anyway.

We'll see what others lessons come along and what other boundaries need to be put in place to keep everyone safe and happy as we navigate this next issue.

Would love to hear if others have dealt with this issue and how you proceeded with everyone's best interests at heart. Issues of technology really do force us to be present and conscious because we have no blueprint experiences to draw upon from our own upbringing, since most of us didn't have cell phones until we were in our 20's or 30's!
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:06 PM   #5
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Just this week I spoke to a mom friend of mine who told me an amazing story. She said that in some middle schools, kids have taken a picture of their private parts and they text each other and sign off using their one of a kind "picture" signature. This totally shocked me. But I guess like any form of media, it can be used for good or used in ways that are not so respectful. My question is: "How much should we read our children's texts or look at their phone content? How do we educate our kids about these types of issues and how do we teach them safety? Would love to hear others' experiences with these issues.
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Old 04-21-2009, 06:50 PM   #6
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I actually talked to my son about this issue because I had heard about a case where a boy took pictures of his girl friend, then they broke up and he sent the pictures to his friends. Now he is a registered sex offender! So, I talked to him about how some people choose to use the features on the phone and that there are consequences out in the big world for some of that.

We went with a trac phone and I'm still looking into how it works with texting. I would love to hear how others have handled what Erika has brought up. I'm just getting started on this journey and would love tips about the pitfalls from conscious parents who have already been down this road!

Thanks in advance!
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Old 01-23-2010, 11:47 PM   #7
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Thanks for starting this discussion.

I got both boys new cells phones. I was totally against it at first because of the challanges but the phone had chaperone on it. It could show me exactly where they were and how they got there if I were following them on mine. I thought it was a terriffic idea considering they like to wander from place to place but what I failed to take into consideration was the texting and what they would type if they did text. This incident just happened last week.

My 10 y/o was playing with 3 other children all around the same age and they were playing with nerf guns ( another thing I am very against) and spy equipment. Well the one 8 y/o was running and his shoe came off and he was trying to climb a fence and tore his sock and started crying and and blamed my youngest for hurting him. Thankful to God there was another adult there that witnessed the whole thing but here comes mine in the house screaming he hated him and was going to beat him up. I could tell he was really stressed and very regressed !!

Well the boys parents called and started blaming and blah blah blah, and they said they never wanted him at their home again. Well that was abandonment to mine and he was furious because they would not let him say what happened. He and I went out of town the next several days and I figured as with most kids things would cool off and they would be best friends again but they didn't

While out of town, he kept thinking of the situation and I could tell it was really upsetting him and I did talk with him and tried to get him to express his feelings. He did so when he texted the kids mothers phone and threathened to hurt their son at school..... They were already mad now they were vengeful. They called the police and filed a complaint due to the threat made to kill their son. How many children say " I'm so mad I could kill you?" and then play the next moment. These two children have never fought in over a years time since having known each other.

My neighbor called me to tell me that a sheriff was at my home looking for my kid and all I could think of was for what? Because we were gone 3 days they went to the school and notified them of the threat against another student. When we returned I went straight to the sheriffs office but could not get any info. The next day a detective assigned to the case visited us as the complaint was in the Attorney Generals Office The detective was so very nice. He handled it really well and I told him of my childs past and his reactions to things and he gets really fustrated when he is not able to explain a situation. My little one told him that he would not hurt the kid because they were good friends but he wanted to say what really happened but they wouldn't let him and he got mad so he texted them 4 times.

The saddest part of this all is how the other childs parents were reacting to the situation. We will call the boys mom C and the visiting mom T. Well C apparently forgot that T was there when the incident happened and told the biggest story to T one afternoon of how my kid was on top of her child and was taking the nerf gun in his face and was on top of him beating him. "T" stopped her and refreshed her memory or so she thought and T's husband even went to talk with them to try and straighten it out and how unreasonable they were being and that children will be children. Well they did not like that advice because they had already told the story to the sheriff.

The dectective called T and talked with her and got the same story that I had told him so he had to do his paperwork and submit it to the State Attorneys Office. It wasn't over yet because the school could not allow him to stay in school due to the threat and I was ill in bed and had to go and get him. He is permanently suspended until they can resolve in their minds if he is a threat. I must say I kept really calm because the school psychologist came to do an assessment and just shook his head saying "this child is no threat" I also reminded him that my child had an IEP and is protected as far as his work under the IDEA. He said he spoke with the the Ass Principal and teachers and not one person could say a bad thing about him so monday I should hear from the school about him returning.

Has this child learned a lesson from texting ? Maybe. It was his way of expressing his feelings, right or wrong. I am not worried about it. It won't go any further than it has already. His texting may have been wrong but the parents lied about my child beathing up theirs which ruined their case as far as wanting to prosecute.

I will say I am worried about the other mother "C", this is not like her. She just lost a sister in Nov and her father is dying and I think she is headed for a breakdown. She has not allowed her child to go to school. She has always been the easiest person for the children to be around and never any problems so this action to prosecute shocks me coming from them. The dectective said they were really out to prosecute for the maximum which could be 5 yrs in juvy. Oh well another day and another lesson learned I hope.

Oh yes, his cell phone is in time out. When I got the phones I requested that there be no texting but I guess they would just leave a voice message if they were that angry wouldn't they ?

Before closing, I will say that my child has advanced so far with BC. If you could have seen how calm and cool this child was with the detective and psychologist, I must say I was really impressed. (that's why they did not see him as a threat. To bad he couldn't regulate himself before sending that text.

Its great to be back on line again with all our drama
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Isn't is amazing that I said I was not worried about this and I was right everything turned out as I had expected. Things are good and I have no issues with the outcome and Austin is doing well.

I did get the phone bill though and it was over $1,000.00 and I did not worry about it and guess what, it was the company's problem. They failed to block everthing that was on my contract so they had to delete it. They gave me the credit.

Isn't it amazing when we don't fret over something, things work out one way or another. I just refuse to worry about it any longer. What is, IS.

Have a good night everyone

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Hi Shirley,

I'm just checking in and read your whole story. Wow! You're amazing and I'm so glad things worked out!

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Old 03-20-2010, 10:25 PM   #10
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My kids both got new tracfones for Christmas. They really want a cool LG phone like I have but I can't afford it right now. I told them if in a year they were responsible with their tracfones, I'd consider it.

Within days of Christmas, my son's phone went through the laundry. I let him stew for a few days and then said I'd get him another one this one time because I had done the same thing and understood how it could happen. Didn't tell him I felt guilty for not checking his pockets. I also bought him 500 minutes which were doubled on the plan I have so he had 1,000 minutes which I told him should last the rest of the school year and possibly the summer months.

Within a week, he'd burned through nearly all his minutes. I took his phone for some reason (can't remember now) and he begged me to respect his privacy and not look at his text messages. So of course the first chance I had, I looked at them. Seemed to be texting two girls. One from his school and one from Texas. I have no idea who the Texas girl is or how he met her. I guess it's conceivable that she's also at his school and recently moved here? Don't know.

The messages were alot of I love you's and I miss you's. Nothing horrible. Mostly dumb. I'm bored was thrown in there alot too.

So his minutes have been gone for a while now. He's not getting any more til school is out (or September, not sure yet). He doesn't even ask me. He knows. He told me that he told his friend they shouldn't have texted so much. I did let him borrow my cell (I have unlimited texting) recently when we went away for the weekend and he texted a friend quite a bit.

My daughter, well she still has most of her minutes. She doesn't seem to text anybody. She calls me mostly from school while she's walking home to make sure she's clear on where she's going. That's fine. Bugs me that often she'll call me and when I call back I can't get her. We can't figure out how to setup voicemail on the phone and it seems that she turns it off as soon as she calls me. But so far so good.

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